Robin Sargent 0:00
Welcome to become an idol. I'm Dr. Robin Sargent, owner of idle courses. This is the place where newbies come to learn and veteran share their knowledge.
I have here with me, they Sharon Tavares and she is an idol courses Academy success story and so much more. I met Sharon in the academy. And I brought her on the podcast for her to share her story with you. And so, Sharon, will you please do a better job of introducing yourself and giving us a little bit of background from where you came in? And how you found the academy?
Sharon Tavares 0:46
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Robin. My name is Sharon and I am American, which is how I always introduce myself now, I never did before. Because I'm living in Sweden. Now. I've been here for about a year. But backing up I have been my background is in teaching English as a second language. And I've been doing that or I was doing that for about a decade. And then my family moved to Sweden when my husband got a job making video games here. And so my kids started new schools. And they were thrown into learning Swedish and my husband went from making movies to video games. And everyone had all these big changes. And I was still teaching my same students and the same virtual classrooms because I've always taught online and training the same types of teachers. And it felt like time for me to also have a big change. And so I started looking around to see what I could do with teaching English in a country where almost everyone speaks English already.
And I started looking into other kinds of side options. And I heard about instructional design, which I had never even heard of before. And I was just talking to some people on LinkedIn to say, how do I even get into this? How do I learn more about this, and everyone told me the idol Academy. And I thought, all right.
And I didn't know that much about I did a little bit of research I did the week before I forget we call it kind of the do it messy. And I just knew this was perfect. The more I learned about it, the more it felt like, this is sort of what I've already been doing. And also everything I want to do all kind of mixed up. And it was the perfect fit. And so I joined the academy, and I'm just so glad that I did.
Robin Sargent 2:23
So how long did it take you shared from the time that you moved to Sweden, you're like, oh, I need a new job to finding instructional design to enroll because I know you rolled in January 2021. January?
Sharon Tavares 2:34
Oh, gosh, was January I think it was June. I was cohort seven I believe. Okay, so I remember I remember thinking this is the summer time he signs up for courses in the summertime.
So let me think I got to Sweden in February. And then I got everybody settled and get everyone in school. And then I started researching things. So February, March, April, May, June, four months? Yes. Before I signed up. Yeah, yeah. Before I signed up with the academy.
Robin Sargent 3:07
Okay. And so all right. So you sign up in June. You like who does courses in June in the summertime? Yes. I guess you're probably on summer break for school?
Sharon Tavares 3:18
Well, yes. So my kids are on summer break. And Sweden everyone gets four months or four weeks off in the summer. So my husband's on vacation. And here I am studying away. But it was good, because I had lots of time where my husband could help with the kids more. And I was able to kind of devote a lot of time to it. So yeah, I went all in and I studied I went through the two weeks due at messy and I stayed on track for like a week. And then I rapidly got behind.
And I was still studying. But I just couldn't turn out that content as fast as I guess the two weeks kind of push had in mind. But I knew I wanted to have like really good content. And so I worked through it as best I could. And the mentor sessions with Gretchen were super helpful to keep me motivated. And after maybe a month and a half or two months, I got a call from like a friend of a friend of a friend who said that she was starting up an English school and she needed someone to train all of the teachers and create all of the new content, which I was like, that's amazing. So similar to what I was doing, but now I would be the one physically the instructional designer and I wrote to Brechin, my mentor, and I said, I didn't even really earn this job. It just kind of fell in my lap. I feel I've been studying so hard and it didn't really like Mattox. I got the job anyway, and she was saying, The Academy will help you keep the job. Maybe you got it, luckily, but you'll keep it from what you learned, which was absolutely true. And also right away in the academy. You encouraged us to look for an internship, which I had struggled so long with how do I even get an experience in this industry and it's so simple, just tell people, you'll work for free.
And plenty of people are happy to have a great training material. So I found a small magazine that needed someone to create all the onboarding material for their volunteer writers that were kind of all over the country of the US. And so then all of a sudden, I had to like kind of jobs as an instructional designer within like two months of starting the Academy, which was amazing. And it was so much of that experience. And so then I just started working through the academy material to help me figure out how to do those jobs. Like, yes, I will create onboarding, do let me figure out what that is.
And so I was just digging through all the videos and watching everything to like for my kickoff meeting with the magazine, I was so stressed out how to have a kickoff meeting, and then there was a video for that. So you can see it's a lifesaver, because I could look so like competent, and my internship and my job, because I had that material to help me. So that was all going well. And then after a maybe another couple of months with the job for the English school, the work started to slow down a bit, which kind of happens, you know, you create a lot of the training material, we've got a lot of people on boarded. And then they were saying we only need you like 15 hours a month or something. And my internship was also slowing down. And so all of a sudden, I was thinking, maybe I'll apply for like real jobs,
which was super big and scary, especially here in Sweden, I could only get a job working for a really big international company, because I chose to speak Swedish. So whereas like working remotely, I could do smaller companies, but for tax reasons I needed a job in Sweden with a really big company. So one of the first things you had to set our idol goals and write down like your dream company and don't, you know, shoot for the stars. And I wrote down IKEA. And then I quickly scratched it out. And I wrote freelance because I said there's no way job was like here, but I don't even know what I'm doing. But as the internship and the job, our slow down, I started looking on LinkedIn for jobs. And IKEA was hiring for five instructional designers, which was greatly because I had it as like a job search in the background. And I hadn't seen any and all of a sudden they had five for different departments, because they're very big. And I thought now's my moments. And so in the academy, I went through the material to write my resume to get my LinkedIn all spruced up. So before I had the Academy to help me like to be competent in my jobs, and then I started working through the content to figure out how to get a real job. I'm sorry, I'm talking a lot.
I'm gonna keep going.
So one of the jobs the deadline was in three weeks. And so I worked through my resume and everything, and I got everything submitted for the job application, like two days before the deadline. And then the next one, the resume was due in another two weeks, and I just had that one ready to submit two weeks early. It was a couple different positions for each deadline. So then, I didn't hear back from the first one after two days. And I thought, What am I thinking? Of course, I'm not qualified for this. There's no way I'm gonna get a call back. And then I got a call back from them about a week later saying they wanted me to do a pre recorded interview where they would, they had like five questions, someone from each team would record the question, and I had a couple of minutes to respond to it, which felt like a really good first, like, ease into the interview process. And I so I found these I dug these out today, I made myself flashcards with like, a million interview questions that I might need to prepare for.
And I got these from your list in the academy, right?
So I went through those and then I just memorized and studied and memorize and study. And then I got into the time we had set aside for me to record my answers. And they said it'll probably take like 15 minutes because you have one minute to respond each one. But they give you after they ask the question and give you as much time as you wanted before you press record. And it took me four hours forever.
Because they've asked the question I'd like have a little panic attack. And I has I only had a minute to condense my answers. So while I had like rehearsed all my answers, getting it all concise in just 60 seconds was super hard. But I struggled through that.
And I made it to the end, but I didn't know.
I don't know that was rough. And I don't know if I sound even relatively competent, but that was fine. And then I met someone in the academy after that, and I told her my interview was awesome. Camila is funny, um, I should just mention that she's amazing. And she's also in Europe. And so I felt like soul sister because not many people in my timezone. And I told her that the interview was rough. And she said, I'll do a prep interview with you and she did and it was so sweet of her but all my answers she was like, Well, why didn't you talk about this and why don't you mentioned that and I just like cried afterwards because it was so terrible.And then I got a call back
The other job I applied for the next day saying they wanted to do an in person interview for the other position, which I was like, okay.
But I took all cumulus feedback, which was really relevant. And she was super nice. But she was so right. I wasn't saying a lot of things I shouldn't have. And so when I went to the in person interview, I was like, super ready, and I had all the answers drilled down. And it was to like, really intimidating businessmen. They weren't learning designers. They weren't instructional designers at all. They were people that had been at IKEA for 30 years, and know the business. And so every answer I had, they wanted to know, like, what my business results were and what the numbers were. And it was just like, pushing question, question question. And my kids alarm went off in the middle. And then I accidentally exited the Zoom call, it was like a little bit of excessive. And so we got to the end, and they said, We have a few minutes left, so we can look, we have time to look at your portfolio, which I had been working a lot on to the academy, and I opened my portfolio, and they were like, blown away.
And then they asked me what I could start and I was like, Are you kidding me? It's just been so stressful. And it wasn't like we're offering you the job. Now all of a sudden, the last three minutes, they saw my portfolio, they're super interested. And so that one ended and I thought there is no way
that like Hail Mary at the end, I don't think they can say that. And then the next day, I got a call back from the first position. And they said they wanted to do an in person interview with me. But instead of zoom, this time, I would go to the office, which it always feels like it's ramping up ramping up, right. And I thought, okay, I can do an in the office interview. And so I went to IKEA, and their office is amazing. And they have like Hispanics and it's like huge staircases covered and pillows where people just lounge for meetings, and they have like cinnamon rolls, and it's all just lovely, yummy ball, meatballs, meatballs. And it was like, such a cool office. So it was really exciting to be there. And now at this point, I had like all my business answers ready. And I had all my questions drilled down the 60 seconds. And I felt like I was ready to sit in a room with people. And they were two really lovely Swedish ladies who are older. And they're both instructional designers. And they first introduced themselves spending like 15 minutes each telling me their life stories and was like, they brought me tea. And it was so relaxing, and just like a really natural conversation. And it was so lovely. And I just like had a fabulous time. So that was great. And it was like such the polar opposite of what I had with the businessman.
And so then I heard back from the business, actually, two days later. And they said that they wanted to work samples from me, which I hadn't done a work sample before. And they wanted a 15 minute you learn in a weekend, which I have no context for if that was overwhelming or not. And I reached out to someone I've met on LinkedIn, and she was like, that's a lot.
I'd never had the time and ealert I'd only need one for my portfolio. So I hadn't, I didn't really know how long that be. And they wanted it to have a branching scenario at the end. And they wanted it to be the acute tone of voice and all these different things. And so I worked like night and day on the thing.
And I got feedback from people in the academy and felt pretty good about it when I submitted it on Monday. And it was definitely the best thing I had made, which is not I hadn't made them anything. So it's pretty much just the portfolio in that. And so I submitted that and felt good about it. And then I heard back from the lovely Swedish ladies next day, and they said it was a no, but they said they weren't gonna hire me for that position. And I had a lot more energy than most Swedes do.
Robin Sargent 13:56
That their feedback.
Sharon Tavares 13:58
Very interesting feedback that they said, We were happy to give you more feedback if you want to set aside another meeting. And I was like, Absolutely, yes, let's do that. And then it was kind of open ended and I heard back from the businessman. And they said they wanted me to have an interview with the highest highest person in their department kind of like a final okay interview. So the businessman likes my work sample and they wanted me to do the final. They call like the grandparent interview and IKEA,
which I was like grandparent interview, I need to get that feedback from the other position. And so I emailed the people the other position, I was like, so excited to get your feedback. Could we do that tomorrow?
Robin Sargent 14:42
I'm going to go meet with the Godfather
Sharon Tavares 14:46
grandpa interview, and there is so lovely and so the lady called me the hiring manager to the other position called me on her bike ride helps everybody bikes since she called me on her bike ride home she's like in the rain.
and she's still just so lovely. And she was saying, like they, you know, all these things they like smelly, but they wanted me to ask more about the business. And they wanted me to have some more like business. You know, she gave me really good specific feedback. And I was like, perfect. And so then I had my godfather grandpa interview the next day, and I was able to apply her feedback and have like, a really good that was also like a really good natural conversation. But I was, you know, ask a few more business questions and kind of drill down to not just the niceties but also like, what is this job and talent as some better questions. And so the computer interview went well, and I got offered the job with this care businessmen who are actually very nice people. It was all interviews with IKEA. One was with the the nice ladies and then we had the,
Robin Sargent 15:46
the suit, yes.
Sharon Tavares 15:49
And the suits are very fun to work with, because they were just working with consultants before. And that's why they needed me. And they hired one other person because they don't know anything about learning.
And so we've been phasing out the consultants, and they're very much asked me like, what resources do you need? What like, how can we support you because I don't know,
which explains the intense interview process. So but it's fun, because I still see the other lovely Swedish ladies and the office sometimes and we've, you know, met up in different meetings, we cross paths still. So it's nice when you are in the same really big company. There's lots of different groups of learning developers. And so I reached out to people on their team to see how they're doing things. And we're able to kind of cross connect that way and learn from each other. So I don't think like any doors are shot or anything. And it really was like through both of these interview processes, such a really great learning experience. So I'm still shocked, one of them panned out, but so grateful, so grateful that it did. Okay, so what's your official title? And it sounds like you've replaced the consultants.
Robin Sargent 16:57
So are you. I mean, are you kind of in a, like a leadership role, or tell me about it, not, not in the leadership role.
Sharon Tavares 17:06
It's actually it's actually a contract, right. And so it started off as a month contract, and now they're extending it like another year. And so we'll see the project done in is, it's a transformation, they're transforming part of the business. And so at some point, the transformation ends, and we'll see what happens with it's a big transformation. And I'm working with people in call centers. So we're kind of changing the way all the training is happening for the call centers around the world, which is very unique, dealing with translations and so many different cultures. And I have meetings with people from different countries every day, which is super fun. But my title is the Digital Learning developer, which is why my portfolio is so important, because I focus on what they tell me, I focus on creating the digital content, but so much I have learned, at least in my role of being a learning designer is not creating things. It's like being in meetings and interviewing and see that, you know, the actual fun creating digital things is like a couple of weeks.
At least in my role, I think if I was in a different position, we would have lots more smaller, looming solutions we are creating, we're I'm working on really big learning solutions that our time spans are really long. So the actual creation is small. But we have so many reference groups and focus groups and 10s of 1000s of learners, that it's a slow process to get something created.
Robin Sargent 18:34
Because you don't want to get it wrong, right, rolling out to 1000s of employees know what to share and do.
Sharon Tavares 18:42
Right, so even now, like, Oh, I'm in meetings every day to talk to different countries about when they're going to roll out the training, which they're going to do it can be. So it's just so many details. We have meetings or meetings about meetings.
It's good, but it's good.
Robin Sargent 18:59
So I'm curious. So all right. So right now you're kind of in big projects, you had to learn to ask good questions about the business during your interviews,
that a lot of people listening would be like, Well, what kind of questions did you ask here? What did you actually learn that you had to research about the business to be able to ask good questions, because I think that's an important part. I think a lot of people that make the transition to instructional design are missing some of those fundamental business skills. I just don't even know what they need to learn. And so what are some some of those tips that you would share as far as like, how to research the business, the good questions to ask and then even just basic business concepts that really helped you?
Sharon Tavares 19:41
Yeah, I think what was hard for me in the interviews is I don't know if it's a cure all businesses are so many acronyms I didn't know Right. And I was embarrassed to even say like, what, what?
I don't even know what your department is. So just being willing to
They like, I'm sorry, what? What is the CSC? And they say like, Oh, it's a Customer Support Center. Okay, that's fine. You know, like that's not embarrassing to ask that. So just I think being open enough to ask questions, barrier questions because once I know a CSE is a call center now I can ask intelligent questions.
Okay, what's the issue as a call center? How many of you know all of those things? But in the interview where I didn't ask enough business questions, I was just embarrassed that I didn't know the name of the department, and what that would deal with, right? Like CFO
I got to just avoided that and talks about like myself and presented myself as being good. But in the other one, I was able to ask better questions, because just ask questions to allow me to ask better questions, basically. So don't be afraid to ask about the acronyms, being willing to ask why the position is open, what the goals are for that position. And I did a lot of research just about IKEA's kind of background and values and things. And at least that I can't that is built into almost every meeting, they talk about their values, it's something that's really like alive in the culture. So being able to identify which of those values I identified with like which ones were important to me, and which ones I could tie into moving forward, was something really important to address and kind of, I guess, highlight in the meetings, even they didn't ask that specifically like asking, Why are you applying for this job? Making sure those values were intertwined made it obvious that like, I was a good fit for IKEA if I already did those things, so that was important. Yeah. Okay. So now you've been in your role for like, what, how many months? Is it been a year yet? Not yet. Oh, I started in December. It was a long interview process, right? JFM mergeable? May G may 6. Yeah, yeah. And so over the six months, one of the things you learned, right, is that like, you only get to create a little bit you do a lot of analysis. Sounds like a lot. Yeah. What are some of the things that surprised you about your first full time instructional design role? Yeah, I think I had a lot of questions about how I could work on a team, you know, how I would collaborate with other learning developers. So I assumed that I would be doing that, which it was interesting, because I came into a team that had no learning developers from Ikea, and then consultants. And so it's hard to collaborate with people that you are also sort of replacing, that they don't really want to be replaced, they want to stay. And so I guess one of the first things that my boss wanted me to look over the content that they had already created, and to let him know if it was good, because he didn't really have a way to evaluate. If it was like pedagogically sound, you know, and developed well, and things. And at least a couple of them had a lot of issues like storyline courses that were pretty buggy, or things that weren't interactive enough, it was all like text, heavy slides and things that were just copy paste from PowerPoints. And so he told me awesome, when we meet with the consultants, one of my first times meeting with them, he wanted me to present all of the negative feedback I had for them.
I was like, oh,
Robin Sargent 23:20
no, I thought so uncomfortable for me.
Sharon Tavares 23:24
And I pushed back, like I really No, I don't want to do that. So it was, it's been a lot of learning about like, business things, you know, things I didn't have to do before coming from a world of education, where I wasn't really like criticizing colleagues work, you know, like, I'm grading papers and correcting students, but they expect that. So figuring out how to tell people like, still, it's still centered approach, you know, it's not that different.
But making sure that we can, like maintain a good working relationship moving forward, but also pushing the content to be better and pointing out ways that can be better, because that was a big part of my job is they really emphasize your role is to bring our stuff to the next level. So right now, we have things here, but we feel like you can push it here, which I felt a little bit nervous.
So having that job, and also communicating with people, well, like your stuff is good, but maybe, you know, nicely. I think this could be cool, or that could be cool. And also getting the pushback from them. Like we know that could be cool, but there's X, Y and Z limitations that I hadn't even thought about. Right, like, have you translated something into 30 languages with seven animated videos in it, Sharon?
Have you tried to upload that on our LMS, which has limitations for file sizes, you know, like, so then finding all these barriers? So it's one thing like come up with creative ideas. Okay, I can do that now deal with all of the limitations. And the lawyers, you know, and the unions and the different countries and
So it's been interesting about like, be really creative, but don't step on anybody's toes and make sure you have all of these things in mind. So, I think it's really exciting to work in a global level. But it's also limiting in some ways where when I did like my internship with that small magazine, it was like,
it'll be amazing.
And there was no restrictions at all, were here, I have to be a lot more careful. And before I can really make any decisions, I have to check with a lot of people and budgets and countries and everything before I can move forward. That's why things move slow.
Now, yeah, do you think that some of those internships, were really kind of ways to prepare you to land your your dream job? In some ways, you know, the fact that you got that experience first, or? Yeah, no, absolutely. I could not have done this without the internship and that job with that?
The English school basically, because in my interviews, they wanted me to answer How have I worked in an agile way with us? Like, what is agile?
That I figured out as was okay, you know, and then I'm like, what my experience? So a lot of what really helped me in the academy was you telling me what my experience how that could like map over and using different words, it was what they were asking. And I had done those things. So I had that from the internship, like, Tell me about a time you worked with sneeze. And instead of talking about like, working with students, parents, I could talk about working with like, the CEO of the company of 10 people, you know.
So even though they weren't huge companies, they were subject matter experts. And it was like, a business with goals with budgets that I had, like, actual corporate experience for So something I still struggle with in every meeting, when I meeting new people, everyone talks about either how long they've been with IKEA, or what their experience was prior prior to that. And I always feel like a little I'm not embarrassed, I don't really know how to.
Still seemed like competence, but saying like, I'm an English teacher, formally. So it's nice if I can, like, explain it through the experience that I got with the internship, I've worked with a magazine, I've worked with international schools and training teachers all around the world, you know, so Well, that wasn't the majority of my experience. And that's really not the only thing that prepared me for this. That's what sounds the best, like in corporate business world. And so that's usually what I'll reference when people want to know why I'm qualified for my job.
Robin Sargent 27:37
Well, you're obviously qualified the suits thought so and they put you in charge of giving other consultants feedback. So that's pretty good.
Sharon Tavares 27:47
News Now?
Robin Sargent 27:49
Did you go into the IKEA office at all anymore? Are you 100% remote? What's that look like? Was COVID I didn't go that often, once a week before, it's a 20 minute bike ride bike everywhere.
Sharon Tavares 28:02
So I still go, I don't like once or twice a week, what's Oh, another unexpected thing is I have business trips, I feel very adult going on business trips. So I didn't really travel would be a part of this. But in a couple months, we're going to be rolling out learning solutions to, you know, all these different countries that I'm focusing on the countries in Europe. And so I'm going to be traveling to France, and Belgium and Denmark and all these places to do the train the trainer's in person. So that's, like really exciting. We just got back from London a couple of weeks ago to go meet our consultants in person. And we had like such a fun weekend together. So I didn't anticipate traveling, being a part of it. And just like building so many really cool relationships with people all around the world. That's been such a fun part of my job where before, when I was working as an English teacher remotely, I had my students, but I didn't have like, professional relationships with my colleagues. It was much more isolated. And now I have like building a network of people that are also like, really passionate about what they do and have like, really exciting backgrounds. So it's just really fun yesterday, sorry. I never talked this much.
Yesterday, I learned what a hackathon is. I don't even know if this is like a normal term. But another learning developer said, I need to get something on quick. Does someone come to a hackathon? And I said, that sounds cool. And so we went to the office for eight hours. And it was me. And then the two of us is learning developers. And we were just like, pumping out a rice course in a day, you know. And if we didn't know something about the content, we asked Philip, Philip, what actually is this part of the software? What does this mean, you know, and so then in one day, we were able to get something done super fast, and that's going to be like ready to go out? Well, it's going out for feedback today. So you know, something where we just like, the three of us in a room for eight hours and playing music and jogging and getting something really cool done. That's been really fun to just to have. I don't know fun geeky moments like that.
Robin Sargent 30:00
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that sounds like a whole new world Have you even been to some of these countries that you're going to for your business trips?
Unknown Speaker 30:07
No, the ones I will be going to I haven't at all one of our business trips was going to meet people in the call centers, which is exciting, you know, you're making training for these people. Like, I would actually like to see how you work. And so we went to elote, which is actually where IKEA started. And so we got to see like, the IKEA museum. And just like the heart of all of these things that we hear about a lot of in IKEA, and like, the core, the values and the people that work there. And we got to ask them a bunch of questions like, as because that's when I'm working on designing now. Like, I'm thinking about doing this. And they say, well, that's not really how I work and they show me this. So then I was like, You guys are amazing. People in call centers are pleasing to Allah. And so meeting people that I'm going creating training for has been really great. And then going out to meet the trainer's that will then facilitate the training that we're creating is also going to be exciting right now. I'm doing a lot of zoom meetings with them. But meeting them in person is something I'm excited about as well. Oh, my gosh, and so I mean, I just, I just don't have any free to share on you. You found instructional design, you build your portfolio, you landed like your dream job and what, like six months? Yeah, kind of like what we're saying.
Robin Sargent 31:18
And now you've been in your role. So for six months. And so just to kind of wrap it up, what is like your best advice for those that are looking to become an idol? What would you tell them? I remember it
Sharon Tavares 31:31
was watch whatever videos, you're seeing, like, you just need to hear the lingo, you need to be around like people that are using these acronyms, like sneeze and all of these words that are unique to business or instructional design. And so when I was in the kind of application interview process, I was watching a lot of webinars and a lot of your content and just hearing. And when I was talking with Camila telling, and she was telling me how I should rephrase my answers for the resume, interview questions. A lot of it is just the words that you use and talking like they talk. And so when they asked you about experiences of sneezing and say like, oh, yeah, I know, that can go south. And this and this, and this way, know that I've personally experienced that. But I've heard people talk about those things. So finding out how to articulate my experience in a way that would kind of translate for business. And then also hearing enough about other people's experiences that I can use the same lingo is them was so huge for me to just not feel like a fraud in every interview, and to represent myself, like, I kind of know what I'm doing. And I kind of, you know, every step I took and felt like, maybe I really am this, you know, like kind of fake it till you make it, I actually have a portfolio, I guess that's like, that's a thing. So I would say just immerse yourself in the content. And also just keep pushing and keep believing that you are what you're telling people you are. And eventually, you will be like you have the skills, you just have to be able to tell people about it with the right words. And at this point here, and I mean, you really are an instructional designer, you have experiences that not a lot of people get even just the fact that you're in a big global company, and the how important analysis is and the glocalization, and all these other things on being able to give feedback to other consultants, managing budgets for your programs, and but you also have the experience that you had when you got to kind of be the unicorn and do it all without kind of exactly. And so you I mean, you know, if you have any of those feelings, I want to make sure that you know that you really are an instructional designer, you have a lot to offer. And I'm just so glad that you came into your story with us. So thank you so much, so much. Thank you, I just cannot say enough good things about your academy, and I'm still meeting teachers that are just feeling frustrated and struggling in their positions. And I keep telling them, You need to look into the idol Academy because it really has been like life changing Academy for me, you know, it's made a huge difference for me. So thank you. Oh my gosh, that makes it all worth it. Thank you. Thank you.
Robin Sargent 34:06
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